Wednesday 27 August 2014

The consequences of having a ‘foreign’ name

Clockwise, from left: Tulisa Contostavlos, Lionel Blue, Idris Elba, Priti Patel, Mo Farah, Kanak "Konnie" Huq and Chuka Umunna

There's a multicultural panoply of names in many British school registers these days. But once many people found themselves wishing for a plain "British" name, writes Sangita Myska.

Some things in life should be simple, like booking a table at a restaurant, ordering a takeaway or pretty much anything that involves saying my name - either on the telephone or in person.

Yet, for me, it never has been.

For years, my name's been put through the verbal mincer to produce a truly ghastly feast of phonetic sausage meat - my favourite being "Fang-eater".

Growing up in the 1980s, it was the endless stream of awkward corrections and garbled pronunciation that made me hanker after a name English people could pronounce.

Having said that, I've stuck with it. Exactly why, I'm not entirely sure. I know plenty of other immigrants who have anglicised, adapted or ditched altogether their distinctly foreign-sounding names. And I've often wondered why in modern, multicultural Britain they feel they should.

These questions have led me on a fascinating journey through the landscape of Britain's immigrant names.

I started by getting the view of a kindred spirit, a woman from a small place in western India who started life with a big-name - Rohini Kanegowker.

Rohini was spared the full extent of my particular rite of passage and has always been known as Rita.

"My dad came over to England in the 60s," she says. "But I think back in the 70s, when I was born, you wanted to try and let your kids... fit in like everybody else. My parents gave me a nickname and it stuck. The principle was that I would have a name that people could pronounce. I grew up in a very small town in Kent. There just weren't any other Indian families."

The desire to fit in is a universal human trait and the stakes get much higher if you've got the only brown face in a white world.

Rita's moniker stuck but her titular travels were far from over. It was when she married a Welshman and started a family that her metamorphosis was complete. "I'm now called Mrs Green, which is incredibly simple to say," she says.

Rita may be delighted by the convenience but she acknowledges this change severed the link between her name and her British Indian identity. "When I speak to somebody on the phone who has never seen me before, they would never, ever realise that I am Indian in any way. I really, really miss that."

Asian immigrants from Uganda arrive in Britain in 1972

British Asians, like Rita, aren't the only immigrants to have faced the cultural, racial and religious dilemma of assimilation versus integration. Neither are they the first immigrants to adopt a sort of nom de plume, under which they hoped to pen a new story in a new land.

So what, if anything, can we learn from the decisions made by earlier generations of immigrants? Anglo-Jewish historian David Jacobs possesses an encyclopaedic knowledge of his community's history, and his story sounds remarkably familiar.

"Certainly from the 1650s, even in those early decades of arrival of the Jews in England, it would seem that Jews were very rapidly anglicising their names. But also at that time we begin to see what we call radical assimilation. Some of those very early Jews left the centres of population like London and they went as far away as possible."

Radical assimilation, Jacobs argues, crucially involved one thing - abandoning a Jewish name altogether.

"You were saying, look, no longer am I Braunberg. I'm now Mr Philips and I'm going to establish myself in this town and I'm going to marry someone who isn't Jewish because I'm going to leave my Judaism aside."

But by the early 1900s, growing hysteria over the arrival of large numbers of Eastern Europeans led the British Government to insist on a public declaration - in the London Gazette newspaper - of who was coming here and what they were called. The lists ran to hundreds if not thousands of names.

It appears that, for most, becoming the quintessential Englishman - regardless of whether you remained a practising Jew - meant adopting a quintessentially English name.

In 21st Century Britain, however, many second and third generation immigrants have lost the foreign sound, language and look. Surely, a foreign name is irrelevant?

Research by the Department for Work and pensions suggests otherwise, showing that jobseekers with a foreign name are at a disadvantage.

West Indian immigrants aboard a train in the 1950s

Even so, Iqbal Wahab, founder of British fine dining restaurant Roast and former chair of the government's advisory board on ethnic minorities, says prejudice is on the wane.

"It's not so much an overt bias as we used to have in the old days," he says. Instead, he blames the "appalling" way firms go about recruitment and says methods must be challenged.

He says that falls at the door of both employers and the government but argues that people from ethnic minorities carry a responsibility not to over-anticipate bias against their names. Skill and confidence trump prejudice, he says.

Not everyone agrees. Shahid Iqbal owns an engineering company in Birmingham. It was when he began applying for jobs, aged 18, that he realised revealing his Muslim identity was proving problematic.

He took a second, very British, name - Richard Brown. When applying as his English alter ego, he says, he suddenly found that vacancies he'd previously been told were filled were now open. When he launched his company, he kept Richard Brown around.

"Changing your name was a case of opening the doors," he says. "So in business now I approach my customers as Richard Brown and quite a few have openly admitted that if I'd approached them as Shahid Iqbal, they wouldn't have given us the opportunity."

According to Iqbal, things are not improving. "Just a couple of years ago, we had a very big meeting at our place where some multinational companies were present. This was in January during a major snow situation and people drove for several hours in the snow to get to our factory.

"As soon as a couple of individuals walked in and they saw that we were coloured, they literally turned round, walked back out and drove back down to London."

Iqbal has found a compromise. Feeling comfortable with it is another thing.

Rabbi Lionel Blue says he'd rather be called Pete Brown, and poet Musa Okwonga recounts how his family were forced to flee Africa because of their name.

But the social historian David Schurer suggests the rules about naming children in Britain are now a thing of the past.

Mostly, people change names to achieve what we all want - to be part of the gang, get on in life and be liked.

Should we? That's harder to answer.

Perhaps it involves two basic British values - freedom of choice and good manners. While I don't expect people to always say my name correctly, I do expect them to try.

Taken from HERE.

42 comments:

  1. Hello, my name is Heza Ramanda and I would like to give my comment on this topic.
    Having a foreign name can cause a disadvantage? I agree. Especially when you go to a market, a traditional one, usually when the seller knows your name, and your name is kind of western like, usually you are going to fail in your bargain. They will sell to you stuff, with higher price than usual. And in some cases, it can add more difficulty for one with a foreign name, to blend in. And someone usually going to make fun of your name, and all that kind of stuff. But, when I read the article, it is stated that even in professional world, having a foreign name could put you in a disadvantage shocked me. And after I think of it, it could happen. And I guess, the only way to stop this, is only by teaching people how to live in diversity.
    And I guess that is all. Thank you.

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  2. I experience having a foreign name, and it’s quite hard living in a country like Indonesia, where people often use names like Ani, Budi, or Sumanto. My mother gave me the name which comes from Arabic language, Talitha Rahma. Life’s quite hard when I order something; I need to spell my name. But people quickly remember my name.

    I agree on Heza’s opinion because I experienced it myself. When I go shopping to traditional markets, I found it quite hard to bargain, and when I want to go on vacation to the other countries, it’s difficult to get visa. Because when they checked on my name and my photo, they thought that my name isn’t supposed to be Talitha, but more like Indonesian names.

    People should learn to live in diversity, like Heza said. There are many factors why people tend to name their kids with foreign names or languages. Such as migrations, globalizations, etc. Like people said, it’s just a name. What does matter is your attitude towards others!

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  3. Wait, so who is to blame? Is it the immigrants or the locals? I do not think it is either of them. As barriers of entry to every country become increasingly non-existent in the globalised era, more people have the freedom to choose to live in any country that they wish. It is inevitable, then, that there will be clashes of cultures everywhere we go. For the immigrants, they must have known beforehand the kind of rejection from their new neighbours, and thus they should be partly culpable for the harm that is inflicted upon them. For the locals, I think it is part of their natural defense mechanism to reject new cultures. It has been like that for thousands of years, because most societies who endured the test of time are the ones that successfully repelled foreign cultures’ expansions.

    Nevertheless, I think this problem can be solved and will probably be solved (which means no more discrimination towards immigrants or certain races) in the next few decades. Maybe I am being too optimistic here, but as people get more educated, they will soon realise that we are all part of human beings first and foremost, instead of separate races. Indeed, the key here is education. It is the beacon of hope for humans so that one day, we will eventually unite as one. Those man-made country lines will disappear, just like the same image that we will see if we see earth from outer space.

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  5. Some people may start judging people just by looking at their names. I mean, even I sometimes do it unconsciously, even when I do not mean to; of course I know it's wrong, that's why I always try my best not to. I know a case where someone isn't really fond with Jews that he avoids buying anything that is manufactured by Jews; like Levi's for example. Usually foreign names are considered as a burden for those carrying it, but in the case of Koenigsegg, it's actually the opposite; maybe because the brand itself portrays a luxurious product, so people may see Koenigsegg as an exotic name and see it as a desirable name. Most of the reasons that were stated in this article for abandoning their names are mainly for their jobs. It is really imaginable how someone named Mikołajczyk would be less desirable than someone named Henry as an employee candidate. It's funny how the opposite works in Indonesia; having a foreign name would generally be regarded as a plus here. Maybe it's because we admire the western world?

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  6. Name is something you must keep precious. But keeping with the culture around is something else. My name for example is Aditya Kusuma. It means “Sunflower”. Before using Aditya Kusuma as my name, I almost get the name of Lintang Panjerino, which means the same, Sunflower. But, my grandparents told my parents that kind of name is already outdated. So here I am with the name of Adit, instead of Lintang.

    I also have a friend. His name is Lim Tje Chen. From what you read, you maybe know that he is Chinese. Yes he is. But he needs to adapt in the Indonesian surrounding and change his name into Vinton. It is more ‘edible’ name than Lim Tje Chen. He told me that name changing like that is really needed for them (Chinese people). Because if they want to keep their Chinese name. It will be hard for them to be recognized as citizen in Indonesia.

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  7. “Having foreign name in Indonesia would have both advantages and disadvantages. The advantages are people will somehow consider you cool with that name and you can easily get along with other people.”
    i totally agree with Ega’s statement. For me name is also one of the important aspect of making good impession. In Indonesia, if your name sounds like foreigner’s name, people will think that you are better and cooler than someone who has Indonesian name such as Surti, Inem, and Ijah. But also it has its own disadvantages. If you have a foreign name, people might think that you are rich because you are a foreigner or at least half foreigner. Which has an impact, just like Heza and Talitha mentioned, it will be very hard for you to bargain at the market. Also people will find it hard to spell or pronounce your name. Sometimes it is very annoying if people cannot pronounce your name correctly or mis-spelled it. But when i have my own child, i think i will give him/her an unusual name because i want my child to be considered cool.

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  8. I think, havig a foreign name, espescially on me is sometime good for me. My name comes from Arabic word from ''Fauqo' " which means on the above. I have experienced problem in having a foreign name, when I was in Canada's immigration, the immigration officer gave me more question about my purpose in going to their country, I knew it because when I asked my friend who has a western foreign name,the officer let him pass without any question. I think it is the effect of phobia in terrorism. I heard that at the era of worrying in terrorist, America often make it harder to someone with arabic name who wants to enter the state. And finally also got it when I went to Canada. But there are some good things in having foreign name. More confident. But as I know, in Indonesia doesnt matter whether you have foreign name or native name.

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  9. Because of the reason that I am an international student with not a usual name, is my name difficult to write and pronounce for Indonesian people. For Indonesian people is better to say Richell instead of Richelle. But also in Holland a lot of people say Richell, because it is faster I think.

    Sometimes you have to put more effort in small things like ordering a taxi or spell your name by the laundry. But you can also make it easier for yourself for example when you ordering a taxi just say another name.

    But I experience also advantages of a difficult name. For example when a teacher have a question and everybody is quite, he grabs the attendance list and search for a name. He never called my name, because I think it was too difficult to pronounce it for him.

    However I am glad with my name, because it is not a usual name that you hear everywhere on the street.

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  10. Having foreign name in Indonesia would have both advantages and disadvantages. The advantages are people will somehow consider you cool with that name and you can easily get along with other people.

    However, in my opinion, familiar is all what matters in here. By familiar I mean, the more people are familiar to a name, the more that they will trust or easily get along. It depends on perspective also. For instance, in local market here in Indonesia, going out by unfamiliar names and the fact that you are a foreigner will makes them want to give higher prices rather than local people. This happen because they already have a mindset of foreign people equals to rich people and this is where the disadvantages occur.

    Discussing about names as in general, I always remember my grandmother said that ' A name is the very first give that parents give to their child'. In addition, relating it to Indonesian values and beliefs, there is also saying that 'nama adalah doa' or translating it to English would be: Behind every children's name, lies their parents prayers. So, I am quite disagree with people who change their name in order to get along with people or to be familiar in a surrounding. Aside from the name itself, you can do some other positive things to make people in the surrounding familiar with you. If you do good to other people, then they will eventually do good to you. Isnt it the simplest rule in life? Nonetheless, people should accept you for who you are, not what they want you to be.

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  11. I think I agree that mostly people change names to be liked or to be accepted in the environment. This case is similar with Chinese ethnic in Indonesia. In Soeharto era, almost all of them changed their Chinese name into a more native name. While in British, immigrants change their name to fit in with the society and to make it easier to get a job. But nowadays in Indonesia, it’s not a big deal to have foreign name. Because many young parents in Indonesia named their kids with foreign name like British name or Arabic name. My name also is not a native Indonesian name because my mom adopts my name “Alisha” from “Alice” and “Nabila” from Arabic name. I think we don’t have to change our name if we want to fit in with the society. Yes, people sometimes judge us from our appearances or our name. But we will fit in with the society if we do good things. You can see English football players who have foreign name like Demba Ba, Chicharito, or Kagawa. Even though they have foreign names, they still accepted because they do good things in football. With foreign name, people can only judge our ethnic, but not our personality.

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  12. My name is Bonita Faustina Guru, and I think Bonita isn’t from Indonesia. I ever searched it in internet and I found that Bonita is the word from Spanish. Bonita means pretty, beautiful. But I ever asked my dad where does my name come from, and he said that he had heard the song and the title is “Bonita” when he was in Timor Leste. Actually I don’t know which is right. I will take the conclusion of it. Maybe it is because most of the people in Timor Leste use Portuguese for their language, so that the title of the song is Bonita which is actually Portuguese language.
    I don’t really know the disadvantages of having foreign name. The spell of Bonita is usual for Indonesian. But there are some people that asked the meaning of my name and where is it from. I think so that the foreign name is caused by the globalizations. Most of the young people in Indonesia have foreign name. Again, this is one of the impacts of globalizations.

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  13. When parents picks the name for their children they usually choose a name that's «normal» in their country or a name that has been in the family. My great-grandmothers name was Amanda and it's therefore also my name. Amanda means «worthy of love», I really like my name and I like having a name that have been in the family. I don't think it's that many people in Norway that's named Amanda, that's also why I like it. The name Amanda is it's mostly used in the United States, maybe that's why people don't usually have problem to pronounce it.

    I never had any problem with my name before I went here. When I go to the laundry or ordering food a lot of people think my name is Amanta instead of Amanda, that's not that big difference so most of the time I just approve it. My middle name is Grøvdal, that's more difficult because Norway is almost the only country who use the letter «ø». Last week I couldn't order tickets on Lions Air homepage because they didn't accept my name.

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  14. After I read the article, well actually after just reading the title, I immediately thought of my friend who has a foreign name. Her name is Iris; see its very foreign right? Her name is like the part of our eyes and also the name of a type of flower. She said that her parents decided that name for her because when her father took his masters degree in the US, the football team of his university was the Irish, so they just decided the erase the H. I really feel bad for her because here in Indonesia, we pronounce I as E so people would pronounce her name as Eris (the E like in erase) instead of Iris, and whereas in Indonesian iris (I pronounced as E) means slice. Maybe because her parents thought about her name meaning slice in Indonesian, they decided to give her an easy-to-pronounce nickname which is Ayis. Even though she says that Starbucks still often misspell her name to Ais, well at least it’s better than saying that your name is ‘slice’ right?

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  15. Name is so important for us, every name have their own meaning and as you know my name was so Indonesian, Muhammad Harits Adre Pradana, my parents told me that my name has a very deep meaning, Muhammad it’s from prophet Muhammad, Harits mean lion or tiger, Adre is family name and Pradana mean the first child. Although my name was so Indonesian but I’m proud of it, and everyone can easily pronounce or write my name, even sometimes they called me Haris, instead of using “t” but for me it’s okay.
    And how about foreign name? In high school I have friend who has foreign name, yeah she’s come from Australia, her name is Machigo Ocburt, but usually we called her “chigo” or “Burt” haha in Indonesian is a little bit funny to call someone with “Burt” but she’s fine with it. I know its discrimination and now I understand, we cannot do that, I’m totally agree with Andre statement “as people get more educated, they will soon realize that we are all part of human beings first and foremost.” So we will forget about discrimination or racist.

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  16. Having a foreign name would be different case, if it is happening in Indonesia. Sometimes if we saw someone with American, British or any foreign names and they also have foreign face (we called ‘bule’ face). We always think that they only talk in English or any other foreign language. I have experience with someone who had foreign name. His name is Juree, he is Dutch looking. I already prepare to speak English with him. Then when I asked him something in English, he answer in Bahasa very well with Javanese dialogue. I really surprised and also embarrassed….hahaha…He was actually Indonesian. He was born in Bandung. His parents are Indonesian people too. Only his grandfather came from Nederland. He cannot speak Netherland. I think there are a lot of experiences like that. People with foreign names and having foreign face, have more burdens because other people think they can speak only English or other foreign language. But actually they can’t speak English.
    In other case, I saw in television, this case was happened in Korea. A man, he has blonde hair from the day he was born. It’s all started because off that. When he was child, he was bullied because the other children found him different from them. He had no friend since then. He felt sad. Eventhough he though the bad things would end when he finished high school, but it even continued and he can’t go to college or job. People always ask him if his mother or father is European. His father and his mother are Korean, only he has a blonde hair, so he looked like European.
    That’s life… we cannot control what people thinking or doing to each other. I only hope that someday we can live peacefully in this world. Without seeing their name, face, colour, religion, etc. Just like the tag line of the t-shirt.. ‘WORLD WITHOUT STRANGER’. It’s mean that we are the same.

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  17. Foreign names are usually very unique, but the thing is that some people find it really hard to spell foreign name, for example one of my friend named “Cindy” but some people spell her name in a wrong spelling such as “Cyndi”,”Sindi”,”Sindy” etc. One of the worst case of wrong spelling happened to my other friend, his parents named him “Steven” but just because some people don’t understand how to spell it, it end up written as “Setepen” on his birth certificate. Another case like declined visa also happened, one of my friend’s acquaintance got his visa to the United States declined because he has such an Islamic and Arabic names (this happened after 9/11) so he had to redo the interview for his visa approval. But I personally think that name is just name, it doesn’t describe someone’s attitude, mind set, etc. so why bother? Its yourself that define who you are, not your name.
    Thank you.

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  18. Having a foreign name would be different case, if it is happening in Indonesia. Sometimes if we saw someone with American, British or any foreign names and they also have foreign face (we called ‘bule’ face). We always think that they only talk in English or any other foreign language. I have experience with someone who had foreign name. His name is Juree, he is Dutch looking. I already prepare to speak English with him. Then when I asked him something in English, he answer in Bahasa very well with Javanese dialogue. I really surprised and also embarrassed….hahaha…He was actually Indonesian. He was born in Bandung. His parents are Indonesian people too. Only his grandfather came from Nederland. He cannot speak Netherland. I think there are a lot of experiences like that. People with foreign names and having foreign face, have more burdens because other people think they can speak only English or other foreign language. But actually they can’t speak English.
    In other case, I saw in television, this case was happened in Korea. A man, he has blonde hair from the day he was born. It’s all started because off that. When he was child, he was bullied because the other children found him different from them. He had no friend since then. He felt sad. Eventhough he though the bad things would end when he finished high school, but it even continued and he can’t go to college or job. People always ask him if his mother or father is European. His father and his mother are Korean, only he has a blonde hair, so he looked like European.
    That’s life… we cannot control what people thinking or doing to each other. I only hope that someday we can live peacefully in this world. Without seeing their name, face, colour, religion, etc. Just like the tag line of the t-shirt.. ‘WORLD WITHOUT STRANGER’. It’s mean that we are the same.

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    1. You gave an interesting story about people who have a foreign face but is actually Indonesian. I know a friend who, like your friend, happened to be Indonesian while having a Canadian face. He also speaks Indonesian fluently but poor at English. I knew him from my mother who used to be working at Redpath, a Canadian firm acting as Human Resource Departement for Freeport, where his father, a Canadian citizen, was my mother's boss. He was born and raised in Manado. Every time I wanted to speak with him, I instinctively speak English, so he keeps reminding me to use Indonesian language. (Pake bahasa Indonesia aja.)

      My point is, you can't really "judge a book by its cover" when it comes to speaking with people. You can't (or might not) expect people who might be a foreign citizen happen to be the same citizen, born in the same country, and speak the same language as you. I know a certain someone when I was a secondary school student who is a pure Indonesian but was born in Germany. And even though I acquainted myself with many employees of Freeport (mostly British and Canadian), they speak Indonesian a lot due to cultural demand in Papua.

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  19. Foreign names are sometimes sound cool but sometimes hard to say. My name is Stephanie Dea Tanubrata. Well, I realize that only “Stephanie” is a British name which Mr. Adrian said at the first meeting that my name is an ancient British name. Stephanie means to be crowned. Dea is an Indonesian names means Goddess (Dewi). My last name, Tanubrata, is my family name. I don’t know what is that mean, maybe it doesn’t have meaning.

    Well, in my opinion, there are the advantages having a foreign name. I agree with Cleossa that having a foreign name will sound cool. Foreign people will be easier to call the foreign name instead of Javanese name like Sumiem, Yanto, Sumijah, Suratno, and many more. For me, there is also the disadvantage. Sometimes, it is hard for people to spell my name. My name spelled S-T-E-P-H-A-N-I-E but Indonesian people spelled it S-T-E-F-A-N-I. After knowing my name, they will call me “Step” ended with p, not f, which “ph” is sounds “f” in British.

    But, I do love my name that my parents gave to me. It such a beautiful name, which has a beautiful meaning as well. I don’t really care about what people will call me. If I know they call me, I will respond them.

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  20. Well people always say that a name is a prayer. Parents had their own hopes for us when they gave us our names. My name is Refqi Ghaziandra. Refqi is a modification from Arabic Language “Rifqi” and it has the meaning of “Friend”. So basically my parents wanted me to be good friend to other people. Ghaziandra is my last name that I don’t know from what language it comes. The meaning of my last name is “War”. Probably my parents wanted me to do well if I were in a fight with other people hahaha. Sometimes having foreign names can cause a trouble. For example if we travelled to USA, and we use the name of Muhammad or Abdullah or other Islamic names, the US citizens could have a bad perspective for us. Some people told me that it is difficult to earn a visa from the US embassy if we use Islamic names. It reflects on the 9/11 tragedy which the US citizens started to feel afraid to Islam. But I think we shouldn’t judge people from their names. We should judge them from their personalities. I love my name and don’t have the intention to change it. If I have children in the future, I will add my last name into their last names.

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  21. I know in some country like America, having a foreign name have more disadvantages more than the advantages itself especially a Islam name like Muhammad, Ibrahim or many else. Since the tragedy of 9/11 in 2001 many person with Islam name is more difficult to do something because they were suspected contributing with Terrorism. And since then every tragedy that connected to terrorist attack such as suicide bombing always related with Islam institution or even people with Islam or coming from Islam name. But this phenomenon don’t really happens before the 9/11 tragedy, for example Casius Clay or we can say Muhammad Ali. He changes his name to Muslim name after he converted to Moslem and still being a professional Boxer until he reached his heavy weight champion of the world title. Despite with all the pros and cons, many people still supported him because of his skill and charisma. So we can say that we cannot judge a person by his/her name.

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  22. When read Fauqi’s comments about how America often make difficult the immigration process with several foreign names who want to enter the state make me suddenly remembered how the bollywood megastars Shahruk Khan became the victim of racial profilling at JFK airport, for the reason his muslim name. Now people have been well informed, if popularity and admired by millions people aren’t a guarantee you will receive the same service. Unfortunately, it also happens with other people especially come from South Asia. They are detened because of their names just like Punjabi,Yakkha, Gujjar, or Bacchan no matter their Hindu, Sikh, Christian or Muslim, the airport security system keep insist subjected the same procedure of profilling steps with them. Maybe that is the disadvantage of having foreign name which totally sounds different for people in other parts of this world. However, it also can be understood for the purpose of security concerns only, as long as within reasonable steps. The lesson that we can take from the concequences having foreign name is appreciating each other with different culture, race and religion. Because that’s the reason why God made us into nations and tribes, to make us knowing one another.

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  23. Having a foreign name is interesting. Beside, your friend maybe will ask you why your parent give you such that name. Moreover, if you do not born in abroad, your friend must be curious why you have to be named like that. But it will be good if you decided to study abroad, your foreign friend will not difficult to call your name. Because my friend from France not able to say 'ng' clearly. So it will sounds weird when your name instead of 'ng' latters and they call you.
    But having a foreign name like Arabic name is not very good in any situation. Especially if you applied visa to USA. I am pretty sure, it will a long time they will approved your visa, or maybe you will declined. It is happened to my friend for real. When we did an exchange program in Dallas, Texas. From 20 people, it was only him who does not accepted because his name is Muhammad.
    My other friend also experienced this, but in Singapore. He does not allowed to passed the immigration because of his name instead Arabic name and his face little bit like Arab people. I do not know why, maybe because the issues said that terrorist is usually came from Middle-East.

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  24. Well, it’s true by having a foreign name in Indonesia would definitely have both advantages and disadvantages. My name is Hejin Zulvy Izzabilla and Hejin is my Korean name, and in my own experience people would always mistaken me that I’m a foreigner but actually I’m not. The advantages by having a foreign name is actually when he/she is going to introduce theirself, their name would be easy to remember. It’s true because the name seems to be unusual and rare in Indonesia. People will always think that when we have a foreign name they think that we’re cooler than others but actually it’s not. We’re basically the same, name it’s just a name there’s no big deal for it. On the other hand, there are also some advantages by having a foreign name just like what others mentioned above that it will be very hard for the people who have foreign name when they’re going to bargain at the market. People would always think that you’re a foreigner when you know you’re not but with our unusual name so they might think that usually a foreigner is considered as a wealthy or rich person but it’s not always right. And in my own experience, by having a foreign name which seems to be unusual to others I found it is funny when others are trying to pronounce my name. But not only them who find a difficulties to pronounce my name, because I did the same thing as well. But it’s kind of sad when having a foreign name while we know that other people found a difficulties to pronounce our name.

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  25. I am sort of agree with what Gilang has commented above. When I travelled to U.S, my friend had to be interviewed twice to get visa due to his foreign name that sounds Arabian. It was because the increase of the strict inspection of U.S Government for foreigner to travel inside their country after the tragedy of 9/11, concerning about terrorism.

    Actually I had no trouble about mine in this country, since my first name is a really common one; Ika. Not after I studied in Western country. My friends and teachers were so hard to pronounce “Mayang”, moreover my last name “ Ramadhaningrum ”. To anticipate it, I changed my nick into “Mai” so they could easily memorize and say it. It works, but not about my last name. People started to picking on me, because at one football game the announcer pronounced names of all cheerleaders. When it comes to mine, “ From Junior class... Mai Ramuhumuhaningrum.” It turned to a joke, but I did not really care because I honestly laughed at myself either. What hard is not about to pronounce, yet it is about the length. At some cases like while I was checking in international airport, i supposed to spell my name because the staff didn’t know how to write it in a proper way. You can imagine how difficult it is since my last name that contains of fourteen letters.

    In the end, I believe we shall comprehend the values of culture diversity affect small thing like name. We better be respectful, so the people who we are talking to does not get offended.

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  26. Talking about the advantage of having a foreign name, I would like to tell about my Turkish friend that has a foreign name while he stays in Indonesia. His name is Gultekin Uludag, Gultekin is a name given by his parent and Uludag is one of the biggest mount in Turkey. His father also use Uludag is his name. Although his name is Gultekin Uludag, but during the high school, he was called by Mustofa. So, people are likely more familiar by Mustofa rather than by Gultekin. Before he got his foreign name, must be there were many considerations to have a foreign name. In my opinion, one of the factors to have a foreign name is you can blend easily to the new environment. Based on Iqbal’s story above, he changes his name into Richard Brown is to be accepted easily in a business environment, he also admitted that if he still uses Shahid Iqbal, customers would not have given the opportunity. So he took the foreign name in order to open the opportunity from his customers.

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  27. Having foreign name? My name is Ayuka and people start thinking that I am a Japanese. It’s quite hard for me too. I have had some hard experiences.
    Sometimes, when I tell my name to people, they will tease me and say that I just use a fake name to make sensation. That hurts me. Seriously, I almost cried at that time.
    And also, I agree with Heza. I sometimes when I go to the market and try to bargain for some things, the seller will give me the higher price just because I have white skin-color and look like a foreigner.
    I also have a funny experience. When I was in State for first couple month, my friends were asking my name. Because in my school the other language we have to learn are Japanese and French, so apparently she took Japanese for two years. When she knew my name is Ayuka, she started to speak in Japanese. I was surprised and hadn’t any idea at all. Well after all, I told her that I can’t speak Japanese and I am not Japanese. She was cracked up and apologize to me. It was funny experience in my case.
    But as some people said above, All people, especially in Indonesia have to learn how to act in such diversity country.

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  28. As we can see, nowadays there are so many people in Indonesia using foreign name especially the Western name for their children. For examples: Marcella, Billy, Arnold, etc. So, I think the foreign name is slowly become more common and acceptable in case of Western name.

    Well, I think my name is also can be considered as the foreign name for Indonesian people. Sally isn’t an Indonesia word; it was being taken from the Old English word. And, I don’t think I have faced any difficulties from that name for 18 years of my life. But, it's different for others foreign name. I’m an Indonesian Chinese, so I do have a Chinese name but it’s not common to use that. It feels like I never have that name, because I don’t really use that. I was born after the Soeharto’s era, so my parents gave me my Indonesian name first as the legal name. So, I don’t have to face any difficulties because of my name.

    Different from me, my father and my grandparents were born with Chinese name as their legal name. And, they have to change it. Because when you have Indonesian name, it will be easier to do some activities. Besides, the government also forced them and many other people at that time to change their names. It would be hard to process everything that includes the government decision if you have Chinese name even though you’re Indonesian. So, yeah they have to change it.

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  29. Being a Christian, my parents and grandparents gave me a foreign European name, “Stephanie” which does not indicate me as a native Indonesian at all. There are certain disadvantages and advantages of having this name, but overall I’m completely comfortable with it. When I was about to apply for visa at the American embassy, I obtained my visa quite easily. While my friends that have a Muslim name find it difficult to process their visas. At some other cases, my surname which is “Sihombing,” is very Bataknese, and people’s mindset of this tribe are usually the dark-skinned, loud, and big-nosed ones. As I made an appointment to meet up at a certain place, it’s usually hard for them to find me or recognize me because they didn’t imagine a Bataknese as white skinned, and having small eyes. Stereotypes of name occurred a lot, however I haven’t found any major negative aspect of my name towards my life whatsoever.

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  30. Overtime, parents are giving their children’s name a little twist by making them more Western. My grandad name is Pitoyo and my dad is Toto, I guess this is influenced by how Javanese name has a lot of vocal O’s in their name. My name is derived from both Arabian and Javanese. Tsamara literally means fruit and Fahrana meaning the love of a mother. While my last three names are from Javanese. Putrityas meaning faithful wife, Nugroho meaning blessing and Notopringgo.

    As we see in our everyday life, people with funny or unusual name are often an easy target to get picked at. Sometimes there is no actual reason to joke about someone’s name because bullies are making up nicknames from our actual names. On a higher level, I agree with Gilang and Mai saying that it is hard for a person with an Arabian name and especially with a lot of facial hair to get a visa from a Western country, especially in the States. My uncle almost didn’t get a visa because he has a relatively long beard with a slight Arabian face and a handful of Arabian name. It took them ages to approve him, but eventually he was allowed to receive a visa. This is caused because those countries would like to prevent terrorism from happening again. But by doing so, they are descriminacing people’s race and religion, and think badly of Muslims.

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  31. “[…] quite a few have openly admitted that if I'd approached them as Shahid Iqbal, they wouldn't have given us the opportunity."

    It is surprising how names can affect how people accept us. I guess this shows racism. People really need to stop judging people too fast. Either by their names, body, skin color, or religion.
    I do agree that having a foreign name could be difficult in daily life. I experience it myself. Having the name “Jegeg” has been quite challenging. A lot of Indonesian people can't pronounce my name, moreover the westerners. I stick with the name Jegeg instead of Githa because I'm proud of it. It's a strange name and very few people have it. It's Balinese, but almost none of the people in Bali are having that name. It makes me easier to recognize, “oh, there's the girl with the weird name”. Haha.

    Lots of parents in Indonesia now named their children with Western names. They are leaving the traditions of having a traditional names. For example in Bali, we have a tradition to name the first kid “Putu/Wayan”, second kid with “Made/ Kadek”, third kid with “Nyoman/Komang” and fourth kid with “Ketut.” But now, more of the modern families tend to get rid of those names. They only put those terms in the birth certificate, but not mentioning it in daily life. Maybe this is because of the globalization that people want to fit in with the modern society. It's easier when you have a Western names. I think it's a good thing, as long as they are not ashamed of their own tradition.

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  32. Name is something that we have to proud of, because that means our identity and sometimes the meaning of the name is our parents' hope to our future or manner. So that's why name is given differently to each other; to make people recognize easier to our identity. My name is actually pretty local, only my first name 'Catherine' that is a saint name and an English modification of 'Katarina'. 'Novita' means live and born in November, and 'Kusumaningrum' is a Javanese words that means good-scented flower. Let me tell you about my experience in having such a long name.
    When I was in elementary school, my nickname was Vita. But, lot of my friends who are pure Batak called me Pita. I didn't like to be called Pita because it’s so weird, so I asked them to call me Catherine. But, because Indonesian often call people by only the first three or two letters, so, many of them called me 'Cat'. But they really loved to play with my name. They mocked me as ‘Cat-dog’, which is the name of a famous cartoon that time. I didn’t have anything else to do, instead of crying and stopping them to call me ‘cat-dog’ (I was so strict and perfectionist that time).
    And about my very long name, I feel unique with that name, but if I had to fill the name box on the National Examination answer sheets, it usually takes more minutes to fill it and it’s a really waste of time. So, my suggestion is don’t give your children a too-long name.

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  33. Having a foreign name is interesting. Beside, your friend maybe will ask you why your parent give you such that name. Moreover, if you do not born in abroad, your friend must be curious why you have to be named like that. Foreign names are usually very unique, but the thing is that some people find it really hard to spell foreign name, for example, my girlfriend name is “Lucy” but some people spell her name in a wrong spelling such as “Luci”,”Lusi”,”Lusy”, etc. Not only the spelling, but the pronunciation also. I have a friend named “Yves” (French pronunciation: [iv]). But, all my frieds call him [ives]. But I personally think that name is just name, it doesn’t describe someone’s attitude, mind set, etc. So we can say that we cannot judge a person by his/her name.I totally agree with Andre statement “as people get more educated, they will soon realize that we are all part of human beings first and foremost.”

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  34. Foreign names? I’m more concerned about the religion based names especially Muslims names, well me myself I got ‘Mohamach’ as my last name even though it is not ‘Muhammad’ it’s still have a strong relation to Islam which this based on the stories others have told to me is quite burdening if you want to get visas from Europe or any other western countries as in recent years Islam is being stereotyped as a very radical and violent religion. And thus from what I’ve heard many names that have a relation to Islam are being treated differently from those with non-Islam names like for example like when they are processing the visas the person that have Islam’s name are getting their visas to be processed more longer or being questioned more questions compared to the non-Islamic name which is unpleasant. In my own experiences when I was going abroad the immigration officers are taking a very long time to check my papers and they’re also asking many questions regarding why am I visiting this country and I find this a little bit annoying as they treat me like some kind of a threat just only because my name.

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  35. I asked my parents the meaning of my name since I was in elementary school, because many girls also have the same name with me: Annisa. My parents told me that Annisa means 'Female' in Arabic and it's also stated in Qur'an, related to my religion. No wonder there are so many parents who use 'Annisa' as their daughters' names. I even have 4 friends named Annisa in my class during the last year of elementary school, so to make it clear, our classmates gave nicknames for each of us. I think one of the consequences having Arabic name is that many people use the names and makes me confused. Teenagers nowadays call it 'too mainstream'.

    I also have a friend in my high school, her name is Noriko. Everytime she introduces herself, people always ask her, "are you Japanese?" and she always gets tired of this question actually. The answer is no. She's not Japanese even she's so sure that her ancestors aren't from Japan. Her father gave her Japanese name because he once got scholarship to study in Japan, then he loved the country so much until he gave Japanese name to all of his children. If I'm not mistaken, her younger brothers' names are Shigehiro and Takahashi.

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  36. Name is very important and it is the best give from parents for their child. They must think very hard and name their child with the best name. Name can contain wishes for that child; cherish an event or their parent names. My name is very Javanese (even though mostly it is used for boys) and I proud of it.
    The differences between foreigner name and ‘local’ name is only the language. In here, it is rare to find someone with foreign name and because of that, his or her names will be easier to remember. However, as Heza said it is hard for them who have foreign name to bargain something. I think what make people here think have foreign name is cool because of the movies or culture from the western
    However, opposite from what happens with having foreign names in Indonesia, if people who have name with ‘Muhammad’ or with Arabic language, it is hard to go to America.

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  37. Luckily, I don’t have a foreign name like Sangita Myska or Rohini Kanegowker, although, sometimes people were often misspelled it. My last name is Sharani, but they often wrote it Sahrani, Syahrani, or even Syahrini haha. “My parents gave me a nickname and it stuck. The principle was that I would have a name that people could pronounce.” I think foreign names are wonderful and unique. I want to have a foreign name if I could request my parents. I wish I had one. But after I read the article to the very end, this case becomes racist. For examples “As soon as a couple of individuals walked in and they saw that we were coloured, they literally turned round, walked back out and drove back down to London.” And “It was when he began applying for jobs, aged 18, that he realised revealing his Muslim identity was proving problematic. He took a second, very British, name - Richard Brown” If the cases are like these, It’s very difficult for them to live with a foreign name. But I think, no matter how difficult it was, they didn’t need to change their name, because their parents want their name like that for special reasons, and they should be blessed. That’s just my opinion though. Thank you for reading.

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  38. I come from Bali, where a lot of people have their own traditional names, such as komang, made, nyoman, putu, etc. Of course, those names are excluded from the one that has high levels in society, but since I’m Waisya, then I wouldn’t bother it. My real name is Komang Bagus Angga Wirajaya, but then it turns out that my name in reality is Bagus Angga Wirajaya. When I asked my mother why she didn’t give me a Balinese name, she just answered ‘the same reason why I didn’t teach you Balinese language when you’re still a kid; it eases you to mingle with others who are not from Bali”. And I realize that what my mother told me before was right. Now I’m in Jogja, and most of the people don’t recognize me as someone who comes from Bali before I told them so. And I think it is not a bad idea to have foreign names (which in this context I refer to a name that does not contain any traditional name) , because we can mingle with others easily.

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  39. Name is very important for anybody and without name we don’t have identity. Some people say that the name that was given by the parent is really important. Because they believe that every name of each person has its own meaning. And they believe and hope that the meaning of their child or children will make their child or children life’s goes the same as what they parents expected; and usually what the parents named for their child or children is the best choice.
    In the past, for example in Indonesia, children were named by traditional name and very short name, the characteristic name of Indonesia such as Paijo, Joko, Bejo and so on. But nowadays, many children born and named with the foreign name not like children who born in the past and even sometimes some children have rare and weird names. I think it’s caused by the effect of globalization and the modernization. And in my opinion, the effect of having a foreign name is it will not easy to call or to say. And even sometimes they have to spell their name because people doesn’t familiar with the name.

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  40. Having a foreign name, especially an Arabic name is tough after the mass case of terrorism done by Arabs going around these past few years. I know this because whenever I travel with my dad and my brother to a country that is a bit sensitive over Arabic names, my brother would get held up in immigration, getting asked more question than me and my dad because my brother got the name ‘Akbar’ in his name. But me, having the foreign and western name Leticia do not have any trouble and often got through easily.
    The problem with my name, Leticia is that I have always had problems when ordering things or booking things because it is kind of hard to pronounce so whenever I need to state my name to strangers, I would use the name Putri. The other problem with my name, is that when hearing my name, people would always assume that my religion is either Christian or Catholic, none would ever guessed and would not believe that my religion is Islam by looking at my name. Leticia is taken from an Italian word meaning ‘a gift from god’, Bella is also Italian meaning ‘beauty’, my parents named me an un-Islamic name because my mom is a Catholic, and I am a first born so my mom got dibs on naming me I guess? My little brother’s name is way more Islamic than my name though.

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  41. Has a foreign name in some countries is makes you get into trouble in that place, for example sometimes if we want to apply for visas to countries like the United States but our names containing the name commonly used by middle eastern people make you attacked with questions about terrorism, although I do not think everyone who has a name of a particular religion has no intention of doing a terror to the country, other than that if we have a foreign name such as in Indonesia will be difficult for you to bargain with local sellers, this happens because traders know you are not local residents so that they take advantage of it to gain more profits. Another thing that can happen if you have the name of another country is the abuse to you, we know the problem of racism is still a fundamental problem in these modern times, if we have a name that is commonly used in certain countries some people who are had a bad intention will conduct harassment to you.

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